The Zeitgeistmovement

[MrPerfect72]

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/
I have started a tread in their forum presenting the democratic version of www.aktivdemokrati.se

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joo ... =10#245964

[Mark Steven]

Hi there!

Yes, I have heard of the Zeitgeist movement and know well the ideas there and the 2 MEN involved in it all.

Its just too bad that it has to many BIG HOLES in the ideas, particularily the ideas of REPLACING politicians with COMPUTERS and SCIENTISTS among other things.

Another aspect is simply that the ideas center around CITY-STATES and globalism, all of which are creations of the Club of Rome, the CFR and Bilderberg ELITE think-tanks and groups.

Although the first film claims to criticize the groups I have mentioned, the SECOND film shows a more truer agenda:

City States, "CLEAN (sophisticated) ENERGY" complicated technologies and a CENTRALIZED power structure.

Perhaps this link may help:

http://anticultist.wordpress.com/

At the end of the day Fresco has made alot of money and had a good life, and further on, the implimentation of any Venus Project would come from FINACERS!!!

Ah ha!

Therin lays the trap like the veritable Elephant in the Living Room!

Once big money is involved, they never let go. Period.

Do a bit of homework on Zeitgeist to get a full idea of this false revolution or Naive movement.

[MrPerfect72]

I have full confidence that money to and from these people will come to good use. I can feel that they are good people. It is good that they control this money. The only thing that would be nicer was if these companies paid taxes to countries that are peaceful and want to start a new stronger democratic UN without veto that can make peace happen in our world. If donations to their private bank-accounts would solve this I would not hesitate one second if I wanted to help all of us this way, because no matter if it is a company or an individual, it is still about who you trust. I would love for Jaques and the rest moved to Switzerland or similar peaceful democratic country to benefit this.

[Mark Steven]

Oh ok.

How is it that you have FULL CONFIDENCE in Jaques?

Have you met him or know him intimately?

I see alot of HOLEs in the Eden Project (as nce an idea as it sounds) but BIG finance does not come from the local Co-op, it comes from the IMF or WORLD BANK.

If you are unaware of WHO the WorldBank and IMF are, then I can understand your optimism.

His idea of a SCIENTIFIC Class that makes decision just continues the system in another form, CENTRALIZED citiy states is the plan of the Elite Think tanks as well.

Which is a method of control.

[jonas]

I recently posted this to the TZM global forum:

Liquid democracy is also called Representative direct democracy or delegated voting.

Liquid democracy is a form that will work perfectly for an RBE, both now, in transition and in the future. It will allow for trusted delegation to both experts, stake holders as well as computer program algorithms. And it will safeguard against corruption and power abuse, since it eliminates the ability of decision mediators to leverage their power for their own benefit.

Liquid democracy works well with technology for gathering, analyzing and presenting knowledge, science and possibilities. It will collaboratively improve the tools for arriving at decisions.

There is a way for implementing liquid democracy from the grass roots, by introducing it as a strictly neutral political party, that will only serve as a way of using this system inside existing political systems. Every single vote would be decided by the liquid democracy system that would be open for the general public to use. This will of course be more feasible in countries other than the USA their a political party can get influence at a national level with less than 5% of the total votes. Look up E2D-International for the future of politics.

[joasi]

Bra skrivet. Men personligen är jag starkt emot att låta datorer bestämma över oss. Tror inget gott kan komma ur det i längden, inte för människor i alla fall och jag tror vi bör tillåta oss att vara lite homocentriska i den frågan. Jag tänker inte rösta på en dator förrän den kan övertyga mig om att den är minst lika medveten som mig, och förmodligen inte ens då.

Någon mer som är emot att tillåta datoralgoritmer att verka som delegater?

[jonas]

Bra skrivet. Men personligen är jag starkt emot att låta datorer bestämma över oss. Tror inget gott kan komma ur det i längden, inte för människor i alla fall och jag tror vi bör tillåta oss att vara lite homocentriska i den frågan. Jag tänker inte rösta på en dator förrän den kan övertyga mig om att den är minst lika medveten som mig, och förmodligen inte ens då.

Någon mer som är emot att tillåta datoralgoritmer att verka som delegater?

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