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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flz6shD3 ... re=related
Very funny cow picture in the middle of the movie.

This is very interesting sociology theories.

It could explain why our concept of direct democracy is not catching on quite as fast as we anticipated. The direct democratic concept must not only be logical and reasonable to male engineers but also to people who have different frames of thinking.

We must listen and understand how people from different social groups think in order to create fitting arguments for the different social groups.

OK, I didnt understood much of the film, but Im a male engineer though...
My ears are open at least, please enlight me about how other social groups look on direct democracy!

Well, that's what we have to ask them whithout arguing with them.

Q: What do they do and how do they act and what motivates them to do so.

Some local answers from a female Physiotherapist and a Socialist (and a realist) at my table.
P: I want comfort.
S: We need a crash to become active.
S: You can't change the world but you can change your world. It is the only world that exist.
S: Just spread smiles around you and make people happy.
S: Don't make people upset if you can avoid it.

Follow-up discussions were telling me that it is simply how many steps a head they have to think. Logical ability or energy to think. It is not that they don't agree with us, it is just that the logic involves so many steps and energy and different aspects that they never thought about before. They are just more...lazy(comfortable) than us.

They also had judgments of details that after a discussion could be agreed upon, but they seemd to be drained of energy by thinking.

I learned that it is nothing wrong with the idea in itself, but the big uphill is to get people aware of all these steps of logic...or simply offer "a comfortable" solution showing them that change "of their world" is possible in a "comfortable way".

It might be a good idea to "wait for a crash" before presentation. I agree. That would maximize the effect of any campaign we do. How are things at home? Crashed yet?

And we should probably present it in a very positive way, so people will "feel happy" and "comfortable" while sharing our information, not attacking anyone or blaming anyone for crashing the system and "not make people upset".

I guess we should try really hard to present our ideas in a simple way and also make any voting system very easy and comfortable to use.

Please share your own interviews and your own conclusions here!

OK, now I see the point.
We need a crash etc..
U cant change the world...

OK, I think really a positive spokesman as David Icke, is the best we can offer here.
As long as people thinks that nobody are behind all this shit we have around us, except simplified sagas about imperialism and kapitalism versus commumism and socialsim, they will remain silent and relatively happy.
And during this programmed state, they will never question anything so deeply programmed like representative democracy.
They even make Hollywood films about the matter, so that they always will have the possibility to steer questioning citizens away with "U have watched too many Hollywood films!"

Solution is to make people understand that the reality can be even worse than the movies.
Im sorry.

OK, I think really a positive spokesman as David Icke, is the best we can offer here.

I wouldn´t be so sure about that. When he drags up lizards and stuff most people turn away. We must present our things with some dignity. We can use knowledge but not things that seems to belong to trips on psychedelic mushrooms.

As long as people thinks that nobody are behind all this shit we have around us, except simplified sagas about imperialism and kapitalism versus commumism and socialsim, they will remain silent and relatively happy.

I disagree. We must take things one step at a time and keep things that can not be proven away or at least try to be very objective and very clear about what is proven and what is a konspiracy theory.

And during this programmed state, they will never question anything so deeply programmed like representative democracy.

That is why we might have to act according to these expectations and let them grow, little by little.

They even make Hollywood films about the matter, so that they always will have the possibility to steer questioning citizens away with "U have watched too many Hollywood films!" Solution is to make people understand that the reality can be even worse than the movies.
Im sorry.

We have to understand that this brainwash is what we have to start with and we can´t begin by telling them they don´t have a clue, bcause they will just hide away as scared small lizards.