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MrPerfect72 skrev:or should we just wait until we have more money?

Or should we worry about getting more active members than the handful we got after 4+ years of struggling, rather than dream up dedicated trusted voting devices, which, by the time they'll be needed, will turn out to be designed and manufactured by people that actually know how to do these things. Who knows, it might really be RFID's implanted in the skull base of every citizen. No need for voting at all, the system KNOWS what you want!

I agree with ph7.3, we have since long time made the conclusion that a security in level with or better than what the swedish tax authority or the internet banks are using, will be enough for a internet voting system.
Can someone here explain why we now are losing the neccessary focus on creating the software it self for voting, and instead tries to create something that is better then internet banks?
Our resources are limited and I really do see more important issues.

No. There is no need to focus on this unless you feel that excellent is what is needed or that you simply enjoy making things as perfect as possible. If someone wants to develop this marvelous gadget I see no contradiction in this. Having good security does not contradict development of excellent security. On the contrary. If we get hacked now and someone says that there is a safety problem, we can say say:

- Yeah, we already know this. We have a good solution. Here it is -> Dedicated trusted computer voting device

I am happy we had this discussion.

...designed and manufactured by people that actually know how to do these things

Hey it is us.

I am a Mechanical engineer and can design the mechanical shell. I can read a catalog with components and compare them. I know about prototyping and manufacturing. I know about measurements and tolerances.I know about materials. I worked for Ericsson with mobile phones. I know about many things. We have more engineers now. We have electric engineers and programmers.

If we have the time to make the sketches and believe it is a good thing to do, then why shouldn't we, especially now when unemployment is a problem? Fokus? Yes, but we all want to fokus on different things. In the end I am sure that the best solution will be the winner.

Hey, why not make every individual decide the security level they want?
1. Simple login (Easy to steal your mandate with a trojan horse. You will have to check voting database from other random computer device to confirm correct voting)
2. Bank security (Harder to steal your mandate with a trojan horse. You will have to check voting database from other random computer device to confirm correct voting)
3. Computer device (Almost impossible to steal your mandate)

At least http://www.aktivdemokrati.se would not be blamed for the security. The individual would be direct responsible for his/her security level.

Why not apply for money in som big NGO for this or why not apply for money in Switzerland?
There must be many people who would love to do something good with their money.

Maybe we will do both eventually, but maybe we should have more members first? I mean if people really want real and pure democracy they should at least engage in it a little bit.

OK. Let's wait for more members and work with development in the pace possible for programming volunteers in the meantime

For the one who do not belive in an attac in the future....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs

An attack on the Swedish Piracy Party that was detected....
http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=sv&tl=en
...the ones not detected stays in their system...

More interesting in this subject:
http://avirubin.com/vote/analysis/
http://avirubin.com/vote/questions.html

The new digital threats conference in Stockholm 2 jun 2010 for Swedish people, I guess.
(De nya digitala hoten
KONFERENS Stockholm 2 juni 2010)
http://www.atomer.se/digitalahot/

A link on half-secure e-democracy:
http://www.instore.gr/evote/evote_end/h ... ations.htm